Activity #61 - Ask The Maker
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abyss_valkyrieMay is always a bit low on traffic, let's see if we can make June more prolific! (If you want to make icons in addition to discussions, I have extended our May activity until the end of June, so you can do that, too, if you like.)
Ask The Maker is where you can ask your favorite makers about how they do that thing. You can ask for tutorials, guides/"How to", or ask any other questions related to their work. Check out the Maker thread (below) for makers who have signed up and are ready to answer your questions.
You can also ask questions to the community at large, and hope that someone is able to answer them. Do this in the Questions thread (below).
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There is no fixed time limit in which the signed up makers have to write these tutorials or answer questions, but it would be nice if everyone managed to post their answers within the next month. I will make the activity result post mid-July. Even if you take longer than that, please try and answer your questions. Please let people know if you find out you cannot fulfill the requests. Try not to leave people hanging.
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What's What
Question categories and examples
Guides - a guide is a general explanation post. The maker will make a post explaining how to achieve a particular effect, use a technique, use a tool, etc.
#1 - Text and typography in gimp by
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cool_spectrum#2 - A guide to picking textures (from our 2019 round) by
seraphina_snapeTutorial - a tutorial is a step-by-step description of how to make a particular icon. Only the maker of an icon can make a tutorial of how they made that icon. If you ask for a tutorial, you must provide said icon with your question. This kind of question only makes sense in the Maker thread.
Trippy Tutorial by
tinebrellaTutorial (from 2020) by
abyss_valkyrieTutorial by
tinyumbrellaQ&A - everything that doesn't quite fit the first two categories. Ask away, hope for the best. :)
Maker thread
Questions thread
Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 08:02 am (UTC)Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 08:02 am (UTC)Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 04:23 pm (UTC)Some info about my process:
I keep trying different methods because I can't seem to find a way that always works. My sources are screencaps, camera photos, and pix from the internet. I've used Photoshop, Lightroom, and Paint3D mostly. I've tried sharpening, resizing before, resizing after... Or maybe there's a rule about how and when to crop?
I found a tutorial on YT about pixel perfect and using Illustrator, but I know that a lot of DW folk just use things like gimp (I've thought about trying gimp, but it's another thing to learn so I want to know it would definitely produce clearer results than the others). My eyesight isn't the greatest, so that complicates things, I think.
Thanks!!!
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 05:45 pm (UTC)In general, in my experience, people who are new to iconmaking will oversharpen their icons. (Look at mine from 10 years ago and laugh.)
I made you some examples here:
[link to original image]
1) only resized to 100x100, unedited, completely unsharpened
Not even actually that bad, but when you downsize a perfectly fine image, it will always lose a little definition. I personally would prefer his eyes a little sharper.
2) sharpened (I simply used Photoshop's plain "Sharpen" filter)
Now this already looks too sharp for me. You can see (if maybe not in the original size but in the enlarged one) that there are white lines around him everywhere. Those make the contrast, of course, but those should not get too strong or the end result will look too sharp.
3) sharpened twice (just for comparison, 2 was already too sharp in places for my taste)
You can now clearly see the white and black lines that look a bit like staircases on the diagonals. This is way too sharp.
-> So what I usually do is I copy (or stamp) the layer and sharpen that copy. Then either a) I lower the opacity of the sharpened layer until it looks okay, or b) mask away the parts where it looks too sharp. You want the focus of the icon (whatever that is, usually the subject's eyes/face) to be sharper than the rest. So I usually leave the sharpening on the face as is, and remove it around the edges.
4) sharpened once, masked everything but the face:
So this last one, for me personally, looks okay. What does everyone else think? Which one would you consider well sharpened?
Noooow, text. Text is a different kettle of fish, because it's often very thin, and if you want it to be readable, you also have to give it some contrast - but not too much.
5) white text as it comes out of the PS text tool, aliasing set to "Strong"
This looks totally fine to me personally. Some people might say it already has some artifacts on the diagonals.
6) stamped and blurred and took the text selection as mask, then blurred the mask:
This looks less sharp but also still readable. Doesn't hurt, I'd say.
7) black drop shadow, distance 1, size 0, of course that increases readability a lot:
but quite honestly, this is way too sharp for my eyes now, too.
8) same technique as in 6, stamped and blurred and took the text selection as mask, then blurred the mask:
Now this looks better. Contrasted but not oversharpened. (Although I think a little less sharp wouldn't hurt here, either.)
What does everyone else think? Which one do you think looks best?
I know the text blurring was a little fast, oops. I'll look up the text blurring tutorial. I know I learned that from someone, so it should be somewhere...
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 06:18 pm (UTC)I actually like #2 the best. I don't remember if I tried sharpening in PS or not. I don't use it as often since I'm pretty much a beginner with PS. I'll have to play around there more. Of course, it could be that I like #2 because I'm compensating for my vision which seems to have gotten worse recently (yes, a trip to the eye doctor has become a priority).
I love the black drop shadow, I'm definitely going to try it! Yeah, I like #7 best. I really do wonder how they look to others, and how much my vision affects how I'm seeing things. So let me ask, does the Hardison icon I'm using look blurry? Or okay?
Thanks again for doing this! It's very helpful!
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-04 06:59 pm (UTC)In my personal opinion, the Hardison icon you're using looks okay. It could be a bit sharper, but it's not too blurry for me. The text is a little hard to read, but that's because you chose a font that doesn't come out as well at icon size. I personally would choose something plainer for a tag line like that. The H and the N look almost identical to me. Of course, I know it's supposed to say Hardison, so it's not really a problem. :D
Here's a very funny text guide by
https://reflexive-verb.livejournal.com/50370.html
Here's a good sharpening guide (very PS-focused) by
https://icons-concrit.livejournal.com/9523.html#cutid1
Here's a text guide that mentions blurring, but it's not the one I originally thought of: (omg there are so many tutorials on LJ)
https://mosaically.livejournal.com/7505.html
I hope these are useful!
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Date: 2022-06-04 07:34 pm (UTC)Yeah, I knew the text wasn't ideal, but I was so enamored with that font and thought it was perfect for Hardison, so I just went with it anyway. LOL. Ah, the trials of having to use a boring font because the cool ones don't work for icons. ;)
I definitely have some tools to explore now.
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Date: 2022-06-04 07:53 pm (UTC)Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-05 03:27 am (UTC)What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.)
--->Anything really. I usually save my PSD's, so I can usually throw a tutorial together fairly quickly. I've never done Q&A before, but I'd be happy to answer any questions. I've done a guide of sorts on using textures and color layers on screen and lighten, so I wouldn't mind doing guides as well. ^^ I use Photoshop but have used GIMP and PSP in the past although I haven't used GIMP or PSP in forever, so there's not much I can do there. (Although I could go back and download GIMP....).<---
Can we hotlink your icons?: Sure, no problem.
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-05 08:14 am (UTC)https://tinny.dreamwidth.org/tag/art-icons
What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.)
Anything you like. I keep all my psds, and I like writing tutorials. Just please check out the tutorials and guides I've written in recent years, so you don't accidentally ask me a question I've already answered.
https://tinny.dreamwidth.org/tag/art-tutorial
Can we hotlink your icons?:
Sure.
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-06 08:05 am (UTC)What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.) I am not in the habit of saving all my PSDs so individual icons might be a little difficult for me to recreate. But still, I can give it a fair short by backworking my way through it lol. Q & A's and guides on the other hand are definitely no problem at all!
Can we hotlink your icons?: Sure you can :)
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-06 08:56 am (UTC)What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.)
Tutorials are fine, for the most part I save my PSDs (if I can't find something I'll either have a go at recreating it or let you know it's disappeared into the ether). I can also do guides/Q&As :)
Can we hotlink your icons?: Yep that's fine!
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-06 12:12 pm (UTC)For the text, to me #6 looks the best, actually, but I'm not sure if it's the drop shadow on #8 that I'm just not as into, or if it's that it seems too sharp, or if it's the drop shadow that makes it seem sharp. It still looks fine (much better than #7!), but I'd probably prefer #5 over #8.
It looks different on every monitor and at every resolution.
Agh, yeah. :/ All the more noticeable nowadays, when many of us have multiple screens and can see for ourselves how images look different on all of them...
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-06 05:54 pm (UTC)What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.) Tutorials from the last two posts, Q&A + Guides if I can remember what I was up to lol.
--->(If you know of anything that you're not able to answer/do, please mention it)<--- accidentally deleted all my textures and past PSDs a while back...
Can we hotlink your icons?: Yup
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-09 05:03 pm (UTC)What can we request from you (tutorials, Q&A, guides etc.) I only really have time for Q&As I'm afraid. I keep copies of all my textures and fonts used in icons so can certainly answer anything about that!
Can we hotlink your icons?: Sure
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-10 08:30 am (UTC)when many of us have multiple screens and can see for ourselves how images look different on all of them...
Eeek, yes, whenever I look at my icons on the larger screen at work, they look very different - especially the sharpening.
Re: Questions Thread
Date: 2022-06-13 02:35 pm (UTC)Thank you all for doing this!!
I had started making a lot of icons in photoshop on my laptop, but stopped due to finger pain. Now I have an iPad and would love to get back to it on there. Unfortunately, photoshop on there gets blurry when you zoom in a lot— I guess it’s not designed for pixel-level art. But I really want to see how it looks zoomed in. I feel like a pixel art tool though wouldn’t be good for icons (for which I want effect tools like there are in photoshop). Do any of you have suggestions?
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 01:58 pm (UTC)Specifically from your examples these two:
Not from your examples, but the composition/text/everything about this one is also super stunning and I'd love to know more.
But generally I'm just going to say I love your lighting and general composition!
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:05 pm (UTC)Edit:
Dis one
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:08 pm (UTC)Yet these two just look so right and natural, yet when I do it... I just kinda feel like something is off if that makes sense? Any tips on how to go about this sort of look?
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:11 pm (UTC)Stunning. Absolutely gorgeous. I'd love to see something about what techniques you used for the colouring of them! They're so dreamy and soft and pretty. (And from fandoms I know nothing about, so won't use even though UGH GORG)
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:13 pm (UTC)This is a really cool composition. I really like how the background is done! Would love to know what sort of technique you used for it. :)
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:15 pm (UTC)I'll go check what I did for this icon.
ETA: Looks like I chose a very dark-background cap and set it to Linear Add in the background, masking away the people in front of it.
If I find the time, I'll write up a proper tutorial for it this week.
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 02:21 pm (UTC)I'd love to know about the colouring process because she's Glowing and having a peek at some images from that game (AC: O?) that must have been a trial. I know all the AC games I've played the lighting has felt pretty... eh.
also just a quick question. Would you mind sharing the texture used to make the lines in this icon? :3
Re: Maker Thread
Date: 2022-06-16 03:29 pm (UTC)Linear Add is one of those layer settings I think I usually ignore. Clearly I need to expand my horizons!